— Note– I added in a guide to getting the visa for those looking for help.
It’s been several years since my last trip to India.
In 2007 I made it an important goal to get to Hyderabad India to see my grandfather who was getting up in age. And I’m blessed to have had that opportunity since it was not soon afterwards that he had passed away. So travel to India since then has not had the same urgency or draw that it had prior and I sorta didn’t keep it on my immediate radar.
Fast forward to 2013, and my mom had decided to visit India since her sister was going (whom I saw early last year in Qatar), and I opted to not take the trip since I had a new project starting soon. However soon it seemed that more and more people were planning to go and it was becoming a reunion unlike one that had occurred previously and would allow me to meet some family for the first time. That is one of the troubling parts of having family spread out across the world, meeting people is not an easy affair and when you have folks who you haven’t even had the opportunity to meet, such opportunities cannot be taken lightly.
My mom has the OCI card (Overseas Citizen of India) so for her traveling was a non-issue, but for me as I never find myself in one place long enough to apply, I needed to get a visa. But I figured, it should be simple enough, I’ve gotten a visa fairly quickly in the past. Back in 2007 I was able to get a visa the same day, and even as recently as last year getting a visa while more involved was not terribly problematic through companies like travisa.
“You are getting a visa now?” – my friend asked.
“Yeah but I’ve gotten visas quickly in the past, no big deal” – I replied
“Yeah it is all different now” – he replied
Enter the new company BLS International.
On the surface if seems things haven’t changed much. There has been quite a lot of changes from 2007 however, but understandably perhaps the process has gotten longer and more restrictive. In 2007 the application was short and the turnaround very quick. I recall trekking to NYC on a cold January morning. I arrived early at the consulate dropping off my application and passport and returning later in the day, navigating through the throngs of people visiting family, traveling for business, going on yoga retreats, or just trying to “find themselves”, whatever that meant. It was chaotic, but it was quick and relatively painless. I even picked up a Nintendo Wii at Nintendo World in Rockefeller center at lunch while waiting for my visa to be ready.
The process is longer, sure, and more of a pain now, but still not terribly so. The application these days is 4 pages, you fill out the application, mail in your payment and you receive your visa if there are no issues within a relatively short period of time.
So what’s the problem then? Well in July 2013 the system changed from travisa who did a fairly decent job I’ve been told to a new company BLS international. I don’t have personal experience with travisa myself but I’ve heard relatively few complaints from family and friends who have used them in the past.
So even with BLS, the process is generally the same. Officially it takes about 3-5 days in person or 7-9 days by mail. However this seems to be more of wishful hope than an actual schedule. From my experience and the experience of others I know it seems that if you get it in less than a month you are doing well.
As I was trying to hurry the process I attempted to go in person. My home address is in Pennsylvania, but I’m currently in Maryland with the likelihood of moving soon. So I went to the DC office to apply but was told I could not apply here because my home address is PA (even though my work address is Maryland). They told me I could bring a utility bill to prove I lived in Maryland (which they also state can’t be used to prove residence). Even if I could have returned and brought one, the amount of time wasted in case they still deny me made more sense to mail it to NYC. I filled out a new application (the NYC office requires a different application) which took longer than planned given all the extra info you need for postal instead of in person (payment, shipping method, etc). The address on the website also does not match the address that Fedex or the post office expects, so you have to just hope there is no confusion in the delivery process. I sent it next day air to hopefully reduce the turn around on the application and they received it the next morning.
…and I waited.
Two weeks passed and I heard nothing, no status update, nothing. The helpline once I got through said it was in process but had no further information and calling the NYC office was futile. I discovered there is an escalation process and put in an escalation ticket and I received a response they would get back to me soon. No response. Two days later I was able to get through to another person (getting a person on the phone is extremely difficult) and it seemed it moved onto the next step the day I put in an escalation ticket! Several days passed and it moved to the consulate and then back to the office where it sat again. It seems putting in email tickets pushes it slowly through the process and you have to constantly call to keep up on them on status (the website does not update regularly).
The application status just shows that it is “awaiting document check” while another status that a friend pointed me to would show a more up to date status of “sent to consulate”. The day they said it would ship back to me it didn’t as I dutifully kept an eye on fedex tracking. Perhaps I don’t know all the steps required from when they tell me it will ship until it actually does, but the lack of clarity in the process is anything but frustrating.
The visa did finally ship, 3 days after they said it would, and about a month after they had received the passport and application.
Reading online lately I’ve read plenty of stories of months of wait time, lost passports, etc. And sure some could be exaggerated, but I don’t by much. I read another report from a blogger on his experience of getting the visa as well.
One of my personal friends who was going on his first trip to India filled me in on his experience too. He applied through the mail at the NYC office, however they refused to mail him back his passport (which he had to contact them to discover). So instead he took off work and traveled down to NYC. So he took off work, traveled to NYC, and waited in line for hours…however the doors close at 6pm and he was told to go him and return another day, so his hours of waiting in line were for naught. He did eventually get his passport on his second try.
“Yeah…it took forever, but I finally got it. I got there at 1230, they open the doors at 4. I was the 6th person in line, the first or second to finally be handed my passport and it was 5pm when I left. They close the doors at 6 so basically they see about 20 people / day.”
Some of the issues
I can’t help but find things that I had to learn myself and hopefully will help others in the process. Or perhaps if someone reads this and can actually fix the process as many are relatively easy fixes.
The application PDF that is generated is not formatted for US paper sizes. And you have to rescale it to print it correctly (or the barcode at the bottom doesn’t print), because if you don’t print it correctly they’ll reject the application/
Web links point to old pages that don’t work or are irrelevant. If you click the link for list of required documents it sends you to the Indian Embassy homepage…not helpful. I ended up Google searching to find the information.
You end up having to fill out the application and then take information from that and fill out an order form with it. The order form does not even verify its a valid application so this would be very easy for you to mess up.
The mailing address is more of a physical address of the place than a mailing address. When you put it into the Fedex website to create an airbill it says the address is not found. You have to modify the address a bit to get it to work.
There are multiple ways to track your application (application #, passport #, etc.) and they don’t give you the same information. Some of the information is more useful than others.
Finding all the information you need is a bit of a scavenger hunt. I kept hoping I had everything and that I wasn’t missing anything. There are so many exacting requirements that if you screw up it says you basically have to start over again. You need to make sure you have all the required documents and photo copies, specific photo requirements, and that the airbill is printed and not handwritten. If they had a check list that would be amazing or making your own might help. Perhaps I’ll try to write up a better guide on Indian visas after my trip. The travisa site still has a pretty good guide for filling out the application.
The phones don’t work, or at least not well. Calling the Washington DC office I got an out of service answer. Calling the New York office I got a response that it was a suspended Verizon wireless account. Maybe they hadn’t paid their cell phone bill when I called? The helpline constantly says all circuits are busy. You can occasionally get someone on the phone however, it just seems to be a bit luck and trial and error.
Sadly the new process really is not friendly to users of the system. I’m not sure why the change occurred from a company I’m told that worked well to the new one, but perhaps it will eventually get to a state that is workable. As so many more people are trying to come to India for tourism, business, and other purposes, I really hope the process improves soon.
Check this guide too if you want help with filling out your application, or trying to get answers.
Indian Visa Online says
Wow — rescaling and printing correctly — to US specifications?
Just one of the hoops to go through in getting your visa, it seems.
What a wonderful visit that was for you to see your grandfather. Bless you.
Yes it was really great to see my grandfather. Thanks for the comment too.
suzanne adely says
Attempting to use BLS now, should I mail in my documents or should I show up with the application and drop it off….their website is not working so I can’t make an actual appointment. I’m just going to go down there.
I would just go down there then! If you can do it person, go in person. You do have to return to pick it up whenever it is eventually done. Make sure to keep on them on the status!
You can sign this petition and pass it on to anyone that will.
Ajay Barve says
They lost my wife’s passport. We had applied for her Renunciation and Visa. Sent in both passports (US and expired Indian) after 3 weeks of waiting they sent us an email saying they are missing the passports (WTF). Sad it has come to this. Wonder if they are stealing passports and selling them in the black market. I would not be surprised if they were doing it. Given the low ball bid that they submitted for the business, i guess they have to make it up some other way (based on Travisa charging $13/application vs BLS $7).
They lost the passport! So what happened? What did you need to do? That is terrible, did you put in a police report or something?
I was considering sending in my “Citizenship Renunciation” forms to them and having second thoughts. I had done this once before with Travisa and they had screwed it up and lost some of the documents. So I finally sat down to take care of this and went through their “checklist”. They list three forms:
1) Renunciation Declaration Form.
2) Renunciation Form
3) Deemed Surrender Certificate
All three forms have the identical same information! But different names. I can’t believe any organization is this incompetent. One of the forms even has a line that says “2) Please Select —>”, huh?
I really hope they find somebody competent next time, these guys are a joke!
Wow that is incredible! Yes I heard they might be switching it again come summer 2014. We’ll see how it goes.
It is quite stupid, my husband is still in the process of doing this. We have gone to the embassy and BLS office 4 times this week in DC, missed a ton of hours at work, countless parking passes, only to be given different information EVERY TIME we go. All the forms are repetitive, it seems like they do not want anyone to renounce their citizenship. I have been waiting 3 months for the visa…now my trip is arriving. We are in panic mode…and just hoping for the best now. They are extremely hard to work with, and are not available via phone or email at ALL. Can’t believe the embassy is allowing this…it’s a shame and makes it clear they do not care about tourists.
Supposedly their contract will be up now this summer given all the bad press they’ve had and well the poor job they’ve done. I’m really sorry to hear about the trouble you’ve been having. When is your trip arriving? What happens when you go to the office? What did they say the “status” was? It is such a shame there is this much trouble, given how easy it used to be.
GOSH! This place is grossly incompetent. I will save you the big story of our OCI, but we got it by actually going to the consulate and getting it, coz we didnt want it to be lost by BLS. We tracked it using the http://mha.nic.in/ site, which is a lot useful. The BLS website is useless and horrible. The helpdesk, hopeless, impolite, incompetent. All the managers and officials just pass the buck. I am still waiting for my renunciation, the papers to which they have lost. They scam people by making them pay extra money, claiming they had to use BLS money to mail the docs. I personally sent 2 prepaid envelopes, they use my own envelope and made me pay extra! Outrageous Monopoly! AWEFUL, ABYSSMAL, SHAME TO THE NATION, DRAIN OF TOURISTS MONEY! I heard this company is going away from visa work in US after Jun 2014. That is the best thing that can happen!
That sounds awful, I’m sorry. Thanks for sharing the info. How long did the process take in total for you? How were you able to bypass BLS and go directly to the consulate?
Actually, you HAVE to apply through BLS, unfortunately. But after it is ready, you can choose to pick the OCI up at the consulate, by bringing the passport with you and getting it stamped there in person, instead of mailing the passport to BLS to have them get it stamped and mail it to you. This saves you the heartache of worrying about your passport being lost, which happens a LOT..
also, the whole thing took about 9 weeks, not counting the hours it initially took me to comprehend the requirements and collecting the needed things for the application! it was worse than any project i have taken up. the language on their website is so bad, filled with typos and so verbose and unclear.
Ok, so you don’t have to send your passport to BLS for the OCI then. That is good information to know. Getting it done yourself at the consulate makes sense.
Thanks for slogging through the process and telling, writing it up, and giving us a few hints of what to expect. I’ve always gone through a travel agent to get my India visas…and now I remember why!
Sadly the process is new which is why there are so many issues, but I hear it will change again in the summer, due to these issues. We can only hope for the better!